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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Oct 19, 2009 6:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

Make whatever claims you like about drugs and art. For me, the creative decline of the Grateful Dead over the last 16-17 years of the band's life can be charted in direct parallel to Jerry's love affair with heroin.

I also agree that the last real chance at an out was when Brent died. Most likely Jerry would been content to just go off and pick with Grisman or play some Jerry Band gigs, but he was the money man for a lot of people and I think it became a terrible burden.

Do I think less of him? I don't know. Do I think he could have made better decisions? Absolutely.

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Oct 19, 2009 7:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

It's a fine cocktail we mix for ourselves, just the right amount of this w/ the right amount of that and you have nirvana (not the band), To much of one and what was once fun is now a tedious nightmare.
Jerry even spoke in interveiws about being to high to play, pcychadelics are beautiful but you can't manage that level of drug intensity and still compentently manage your craft,w/ the degree that is expected of a musician, Cocaine your always looking for that next high, Opiates unfortunitly
can give you all the color,the pain killing, you want, the only problem is it anestesizes the person to the point were they can't really see how it is affecting them. Jerry told band members that he liked herion he liked the color it provided him and he was going to continue to use as long as he wanted. They (I believe Phil and Bob ) asked him point blank, The band or the drugs,
and I Qoute Jerry "in that case I'll take the drugs" God I love that guy.
The man had a lot of courage and guts. His stock will always increase because the man had talent to his art, I'm confident that my great-great grandkids will experience the man's music.
My belief is that herion didn't kill jerry. He's only resting, maybe it is some denial on my part, Unfortunatly I got a healthy dose of that junkie mentality myself ( I fight it everyday, but most of the time I'm always reasoning with myself, if this is fun now, think how much more funner (my word, you like?) this would be high?

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Oct 19, 2009 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

As a side note, the drug that probably had more to do directly with Garcia's death was a legal drug i.e. His chin smoking unfiltered Camels .

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Oct 19, 2009 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

then your smoking heroin on top of that, no wonder the man had an enlarged heart.

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Poster: DeadRed1971 Date: Oct 19, 2009 4:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

A major factor of his death which gets overlooked was sleep apnea.


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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 19, 2009 5:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

Defn related to smoking and obesity...but good point.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Oct 19, 2009 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

People like to think of Garcia's death as being "drug related", but all these other factors ( and diet also, corn-dogs and Snickers etc .) have maybe much more to do with his death than the drugs .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 20, 2009 5:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

Yep--I have always talked about the smoking...jeezz, listen to him hacking thru the interview in 81! He sounded like my dying mother...and the diabetes/wt...then the junk food.

Yep, without drugs it might of been the same...

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Poster: gdoc67 Date: Oct 19, 2009 7:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

Heroin did the Old Man in. Remember the 1987-90 period. He was pretty clean and Minasha was on her way out. The scene? Jerry had his scene wherever he went. The other bandmembers did thier best to help him and keep the hard drug element out of the loop ie; firing Scully and others. The other bandmembers were leading reasonably healthy lives in the mid 90's. They were well aware of the demons that started to show up around Jerry again and they likley did their best to thwart the whole problem. However, they were up against the mighty Garcia. He got what he wanted, and he got it his way. It is unreasonable to say that a cleaned up Jerry was a not better artist than when he was getting high. The period above made that point clearly. It is of course, worthwhile to note, that even in the darkest, most despondent periods there were nights that were amazing (Richmond 85' Boston 10/1/94 many more). Junk held Jerry back from realizing his potential. He called it "just a maintenence habit". He finally came to grips with it and made an effort to go Betty Ford, then Serenity Knolls on his own. Deborah Koons may have had a hand in influencing him, but as a wife, she let him get high and was eventually public about not forcibly trying to stop him. The guy went down swinging, he died in rehab because he said "I'm tired of being a junkie". If he said that, then that is a clear testimony that he wanted to be unbridled by the junk he loved and eventually hated so much.
Think of how the whole scene has blossomed since his passing. It could be argued that Grateful Dead was so powerful and all encompassing for improv style music that it actually held back the live music scene. Since his passing,Phil has gone on to do some of his best work and Bobby has a very fine band indeed. But look at all the new stuff that has come out and gained enormous popularity in the last 15 years. There is no doubt that many of the "jam style" bands have their roots in GD. Back when GD did a Summer tour selling out huge stadiums, everyone would go. For many, that was the live music fix for the season. When that went away with Jerry's passing, it opened up the gates for kids to go out and check out other stuff. They did, and scene has flourished with many fine bands that are doing great things. Me, I love the Grateful Dead. I listen to it as much as ever. I'm sitting here in my office looking at all my old posters and Minkin/Cohn photos of Jerry/the band etc. My son's middle name is Garcia. I love all the new stuff and as a fan of live music I go out and see as much as I can. I learned all that from GD, and I'm teaching my kids to be open to the same. I hope someone finds my thoughts worth reading. Cheers.

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